Chimichanga wrote:What I'm saying is, concept of true hunger, nutrient density, anabolic/catabolic state of digestion is unique.
Not true.
The concept of true hunger goes back to the 1800's and Dr. Herbert Shelton and the original Natural Hygiene movement and its predecessors (Dr Edward Hooker Dewey, Dr Hereward Carrington, and Dr Oswald and Dr Tilden, etc).
http://chestofbooks.com/health/natural- ... ungry.html http://chestofbooks.com/health/natural- ... art-3.html I first learned of it in 1973.
Same with the stages of digestion, which was also made famous by the Diamonds in the 80's, to which they gave credit to Dr Shelton and also scientist Are Waerland who preceded Shelton.
The anabolic and catabolic stages are also part of basic physiology.
And, as CR has shown for the last 75 years, as long as the subject is following CR and maintaining a similar overall dietary and nutritional pattern, while maintaining a calorie restricted intake, the amount of meals, the timing of meals, etc is irrelevant. They have done studies on meal timing & meal frequency showing they are not the main issue, CR is, regardless of the pattern. And, as I posted earlier, if not done correctly, there can be some adverse effects of reduced meal frequency.
Remember, we had the leading CR researcher who came to the Advanced Study Weekend and presented his data 2 years ago. He disagrees with you.
Also, nutrient density and nutrient density scoring systems, go back to the 70's if not earlier.
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Chimichanga wrote:You can't just do the CR I'm able to do now, otherwise I would have done it earlier.
You mean "you."
Not only do I do it, but I have worked with literally over 20K patients and many of them have done it quite simply without having to follow any fancy theories.
Yesterday, I got an email from one who I first met 1.5 years ago and just hit the 175 lb mark without following any of the above things you mention.
There are over 5,000 members of the CR society, who do it and most of all them shun such theories, yet they do it. Many of them are followed like lab rats by the researchers.
There are over 20 published studies on the 7000 members of the NWCR, who are the most studied subjects who have been successful at both l/t weight loss and maintenance and most all of them have done it without any such theories. Many of them have maintained over 100 lb weight loss and done so for over 10 years.
Chimichanga wrote:Again I have not lived with this for long, there is still that possibility that I will go back to where I began and if that happens then I know there is nothing unique but that "newness" charm.
Woa! There is something unique. And that is the fact that you cut out snacking, eat less often, eliminated certain foods, are eating a lower calorie dense diet and consuming fewer calories.
In the 1980's Fit For Life was one of the most successful diet books and one of the most successful of all time. The authors taught and promoted a theory called Food Combining and many people followed it religiously and did very well. The authors eventually admitted publicly that there was no science behind the theory and all it really did was give people a system to get them to eat better, to eat more fruits, veggies, whole grains, legumes, to eat less and cut out junk food. Even Dr Shelton, one of the older promoters of the theory, to whom Fit for Life gave credit, admitted in the book Food Combining, that he know of absolutely no physiological reason for his rules. They were just a system to get people on the typical diet to eat better. To this day, in spite of the public admission, people still swear by these theories and follow them, believing they are main reason for their improved health.
Que Sera, Sera!
However, when you really understand the "why" in regard to why so many people were drawn to a theory like food combining (and insist on sticking to in spite of now knowing its a fraud), then you will have come to understand so much of what goes on in the world of nutrition and diet.
As I said earlier....
"Some people just can't maintain a meal plan with fewer meals and some just can't maintain a meal plan with more frequent meals. I am one of the latter, and so, I keep a more limited meal plan but would not insist on that for someone who felt more comfortable with more frequent meals as long as the overall dietary and nutritional pattern is the same."
True Story...
"A few years back I had a friend who was struggling with an addiction to both alcohol and some hard drugs. He finally went through a treatment center and then got involved in 12 step programs. But, he would constantly go back and forth between AA and NA struggling to find an identity and/or "home" in one or the other. This went on for a year and caused him much distress. Of course, each group try to convince him why he belonged in one and not the other. After about a year, he came to his wits end about this and came to me to tell me how upset he was that even after a year, he still wasn't sure where he belonged, and if he really should be in AA or NA. I listened carefully, gave him a hug, and then chuckled and said, "Well the best news of all is that you have not used either any drugs or alcohol in a full year! And that is the first time you have accomplished that in over 20 years.So, it takes what it takes and if the above concepts are what get you do it, more power to you.
In Health
Jeff