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JeffN wrote:Bougainvillea wrote:Thanks for the link to Jeff Novak's summary of the MWL guidelines, Amy. Yes, I did see it. It's too restrictive for me right now. Especially the reference to "it's okay to be hungry." Uh - no. That will not work for me. Might as well be on Weight Watchers. I need something that will work forever, and that means not being hungry. At least for me. I know that's just one of many guidelines, but that's the one that tries to make me give up.
Just to clarify...
One of the basic principles of the McDougall Program is that you don't ever have to go hungry, EVER!
My post was not about my guidelines and recommendations or about my summary of the guidelines/recommendations of Dr McDougall's MWL program, but about some refinements that Dr McDougall himself made to the McDougall Maximum Weight Loss Program, which is what he recommends for those wanting to lose weight. The 11 points are only an Table of Contents and the post recommends that you clink on the link to read the full description. When you do for the one about hunger, which is the last one, you find this....It’s OK to be Hungry:
Sometimes you will find yourself in a situation where there is no healthy food available – like when you are out shopping, at a party, or dining with friends. You don’t have to eat. No harm will be done. You won’t starve to death by waiting a few hours until something healthy is available. Delaying gratification is the smart thing to do and when you do finally eat the right foods they will taste extra delicious.
Program Protocol: No one went hungry during the 10 days with us. One of the lessons of our program was successfully taught – “You can eat as much as you want of delicious foods and lose weight.”
Practical Tips for Home Compliance: After leaving the program, people will not have multiple-course meals served to them 3 times a day with snacks mid-morning and mid-afternoon – and thus, they are expected to lose even more briskly at home. If you get stuck with nothing healthy to eat, your best choice in most cases is to go hungry – when you finally do eat, the foods will be even more delicious than usual.
Elsewhere in the Newsletter, you find the following three comments by Dr McDougall
“Our guests never suffered a moment of hunger and they thoroughly enjoyed the tastes of the meals we served to them. That was obvious; they ate 2, 3, 4 and more servings at each meal.”
“Starches are low in calories (calorie dilute), low in fat (the fat you eat is the fat you wear) and high in carbohydrate (which satisfies the hunger drive). Most importantly, there are sufficient calories in starches to meet your needs for energy and to satisfy your powerful hunger drive.”
“However, be careful that you do not eat so many of these low-calorie vegetable foods that your meals are no longer enjoyable and satisfying for your hunger drive. You need the starchy selections for sustaining satisfaction.”
As you can see, the basic guidelines are to not go hungry and the comment about "it is ok to be hungry" was only in reference to most cases and when they were nothing else to eat. So, if your only option was fried chicken (which I don't think you have faced yet), then Dr McDougall's recommendation was that you might be better off going hungry then eating the fried chicken.
Part of the reason I posted those refinements was to clarify what Dr McDougall was recommending vs other "hacks" out there being recommended as part of his program, most of which will result in you being hungry.
Now, if you would like to know my specific guidelines, just walk on over to my forum and you will find them clearly laid out here...
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=37450#p442418
And, when you go there, you will find this as my number one guideline ...
1) Hunger & Satiety - Whenever hungry, eat until you are comfortably full. Don't starve and don't stuff yourself.
So, there you have it.
A few months ago, I was swamped with emails because someone sent out a newsletter saying that my recommendation to them in how to lose weight was to "eat less."
This is my 30th year of teaching this publicly and professionally and I have never, ever told anyone to eat less, ever. In fact, the point i make in my presentations, over and over, is that by following my recommendations, you can eat about 67% more food if you keep the calories the same, or you can eat about 33% more food while consuming about 33% less calories. In both cases, you are eating more, not less. I also searched and searched all my old files, all my old websites, all my emails and messages with the person, did google searches and used the Wayback Machine and couldn't find my saying "eat less" ever.
But, this is what happens with misunderstandings or when things are taken out of context or seem out of context.
I have always said, time and adherence at the two most important principles. I think I will add a third. Time, adherence and PUA (proper understanding and application).
Good luck with your weight loss journey and let me know if I can be of help.
In heath
Jeff
PS excuse my intrusion in the group but understanding this hunger issue is so important to success.
Reni wrote:Hi Everyone,
I know I'm super late, but would like to join for the remainder of the month. I have a lot to lose - starting out at my highest weight of my life at 194. Going to start a journal to help keep me accountable.
-Reni
Cathmc wrote:Hi there,
Well, I posted ( or thought I did ) yesterday and one of the things I said was that I love how busy this is and that I need to check in more often to keep up.
Too much to comment on right now but loving reading all the comments.
Karen : ( and anyone else interested )
Creamy Cilantro - Garlic Dressing
1 12 oz pack silken tofu
1/2 cup rice vinegar
1/4 cup low sodium soy sauce
2 - 3 garlic cloves ( I used less )
1/2 bunch fresh cilantro
Combine the tofu, vinegar, soy sauce and garlic in a blender or food processor and purée until smooth.
Add the clinatro and process again just until the cilantro is chopped. ( include some cilantro stems for a bolder flavour )
Can be kept in a jar in the fridge up to 5 days.
( copied from FOK app recipes )
Hope you´re all having a healthy, good day.
katie3 wrote:Thanks for chiming in, Jeff. I always find your posts so helpful.
I especially like this reminder:I have always said, time and adherence are the two most important principles.
Sometimes I get impatient because I have tried other methods that lead to water weight loss and in the short-term experienced what felt like dramatic weight changes. Of course, the water weight returned and then some. I've been having an impatient feeling couple of days.
To counteract that impatience I'm practicing reminding myself what Dr. Lisle has called the "Slow Fast Way" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vbeHVecDlM for anyone who is interested). Compared to a low-carb (water-weight loss) plan, the McDougall Plan or even MWL can feel "slow" because you're not going to drop 10 pounds in a week. Well, at least I'm not because I'm pretty close to my goal weight. But, what you lose really is fat and the loss is sustainable and with long-term adherence (as you mentioned) the fat loss is maintained.
So, along with telling myself "Slow Fast Way" I'll remind myself to "give it time." Give it time, give it time, and enjoy the process of adopting long-term, life-enhancing healthy choices.
Cathmc wrote:Hello there everyone.
Katie3 - Thank you so much for the link it really did me the world of good to listen to that today. I´ve been feeling a little despondent and feeling like I´m just never going to get there. You can imagine, this really spoke to me. THANK YOU.
Amy - Yep, the guy is very cute and you´re food looks good as always.
Karen : I see that you too enjoyed the webinar. hahaha. Yep, I want one of those medallions too. Well done for going for a walk instead of eating.
Reni - Hi. I´m a newcomer too. Welcome.
I hope you´re all having a good day. I´m feeling so much better than I was at the weekend. I´m a little worried about the weigh in tomorrow and I´m trying not to be. I am really trying to convince myself that it´s NOT all about WEIGHT and to just enjoy the journey or should I say the tortoise road. and I am.
I have a bbq/ picnic with friends on Sunday. All big meat eaters but very respectful of those who arnt. Any suggestions for what I can take ?
One thing I know I will take is a black bean and mango salad that I love and the friends who have tried it also love.
Bougainvillea wrote:Dinner - Stir fry brocolli and water chestnuts and peas, and I used leftover bean water I'd frozen to make a sauce out of that turned out really good. Added some Indian/Asian type spices, soy sauce and some corn starch to thicken it. On whole wheat noodles. It was good, though a tad salty from the soy sauce:
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