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JeffN wrote:goal140 wrote:Hi Mark,
Am I eating when I’m hungry? It’s hard for me to distinguish hunger for appetite.
You don’t have to figure it out or work out it. Only follow the guidelines. When hungry (regardless of whether you may think it is true hunger, appetite, or something else) just eat. Eat of the recommended foods as outlined in the 10 point checklist.
Over time, it will work itself out.
In Health
Jeff
Ejeff wrote:Hi Courtney,
I just wanted to say I understand that “pressure” from others when it come to drinking alcohol. When I really got honest with myself, I believe I was using that as my own personal excuse to have wine even though I know it’s not health promoting. I have discovered that people really do not care what I’m drinking. Most times they really don’t notice. I have found that alcohol always affects my sleep and I like sleep more than I like alcohol right now.
I tend to have just a can of sparkling soda with a slice or squirt of lime juice when I want a “cocktail”. You could have that in a wine glass potentially. Anyways just an idea and I wanted you to know you are not alone!
Erin
Here is the story from landog that Jeff mentions - Ten Years "McDougalling" - heart bypass surgery.JeffN wrote:What I found most interesting, based on his comments, is that whatever degree of adherence he had, it may not have been enough. What, if any, it contributed to his stroke, I don't know. Yes, there are other factors that play a role other then diet and exercise, however, excess weight, inactivity, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and a diet high in fat and salt are all risk factors. Even if you are vegan.
As I have said, we see this quite often at the program. People come who are overweight, obese, with high blood pressure, high blood sugar, high cholesterol and are on medications. They tell us they do not understand because they are vegan and/or WFPB and even follow the McDougall diet. Yet, in 10-Days with only changing the food and mixing in a little activity, they experience dramatic changes in their health.
We heard a similar story 2 years ago from Landog. As he posted above....landog wrote:Don't kid yourselves.
Cheating could easily kill you.
Change is not easy. The Pleasure Trap is real. The solution is time and adherence.
I wish Chuck the best and continued health.
In Health
Jeff
Here's the recommended article -JeffN wrote:First, in regard to the 1%, lets do some math. If he was eating 2000-2500 calories (just guessing), 1% is 20-25 calories. That is it. That is a minuscule amount of any of the mentioned cheat foods listed and just not enough to be the issue.
Second, I would recommend reading my article, The Myth of Moderation: Is Your Diet Exceptional?
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=44276&p=456819&#p456819
Lastly, remember what I said above... “Yes, there are other factors that play a role other then diet and exercise, however, excess weight, inactivity, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and a diet high in fat and salt are all risk factors. Even if you are vegan.”
In Health
Jeff
And some further discussion of "Cheating"JeffN wrote:The Myth of Moderation Pt 3: Is Your Diet Exceptional?
Jeff Novick, MS, RDN
http://www.jeffnovick.com/RD/Articles/E ... ional.html
An exception to your diet is considered an exception because it is something you rarely do &/or makes up a very small part of your diet. If you start doing it, or several of them, every day and/or at every meal and it (or they) starts making up a larger part or even a main part of your diet, it is no longer an exception. This can happen even to those who are following a WFPB diet.
So, let look at the impact of few items that are often considered as exceptions and what would happen if you added in just a few of these.
- A tbsp of oil is ~120 calories
- A tbsp of sugar is ~50 calories
- An ounce of chocolate is ~150 calories
- A 5 oz glass of wine is ~120 calories
- A serving of a refined grain is ~80-100 calories
- A small piece of vegan pie, cake or a cookie can easily be 100-150 calories (or more).
The total of the above is over 620-690 calories which would be over 1/3 of an 1800 calorie diet, over 1/4 of a 2400 calorie diet. And that is for just one serving of each. If you have 2 servings of each, you are around 1300 calories which is over 2/3's of an 1800 calorie diet and over 1/2 of a 2400 calorie diet.
As you can see, it is very easy for these exceptions to add up. And, if you add in a few more of these "exceptions," the exceptions have become the rule, and the healthy foods have become the exception and while you may have an exceptional diet, it is not healthy.
In Health
Jeff
JeffN wrote:I have always recommended focusing on getting 95% of the program 100% right as that will be much more important then the 5%, For some of you, based on your own health issues, it may be 99% and for some of you it may be 90%, I don’t know without working with you directly.
The problem I see though is that people focus too much on the 5% and in doing so, do not get the 95% right. So in reality, they are really doing much much less than they 95%.
This concept was thoroughly discussed in a thread on Dr Lisle’s Continuum of Evil.
To further make my point in the thread, I analyzed two diets that were truly 95% (based on calories) compliant, Each one had 5% of their calories from one of two of the worst foods I could imagine (coconut oil and pork bacon). Both of these items are very high in calorie density, fat, saturated, with little to no fiber, and the bacon is also very high in sodium. Clearly, if any food would have an impact at 5%, it would be one of these two. As the analysis shows, their impact would be minimal if any at all (based on known & accepted risk factors). Your an see the discussion and the analysis here...
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=54512&p=554413&#p554281
So, if one could theoretically get away with 5%, and for some of us, maybe even 10%, then if the program is not working for you, there are problems in your adherence that is making up much more then 5% or 10% of your calories, let alone 1%.
In Health
Jeff
I only had one glass!
JeffN wrote:It seems the common denominator is the more compliant to the behaviors they are, the better their results. No exception. And, when they are not losing or gaining, they can see which behaviors need more attention. Sometimes they may need a guideline clarified and sometimes they may need support in figuring out how to apply it.
One thing you don’t see, is anyone striving to be less compliant, or encouraging anyone else to be less compliant. Sure, be OK with where you are and how well you are doing, but keep focusing on moving the behaviors in the right direction in ways that you can.
Most people who find their way here to this program, have serious health issues and a compromised quality of life. Changing much of your life, especially your food related behaviors, is not easy, especially in this world. But to those who find their way here, making the change is often easier then continuing to suffer.
This week has really been a celebration for me; I hit 70 lbs total in weight loss, and a normal BMI, which I wasn't really sure was even possible. Also, I had a new patient appointment with a new doctor who isn't plant based (my old plant based doctor left the practice). I had labs done and the results are truly impressive. I started with total cholesterol of 260 and it is now down to 155. All other markers are great, including iron and B12. Admittedly, she was looking in my chart for evidence I had been taking a statin, as she hasn't seen anyone drop their cholesterol like that from diet alone. I assured her it WAS my diet!!
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