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Dr. Fuhrman: Do you think some of the present vegan authors seem to hide from any science that may weaken their prior (sub-optimal) pronouncements on nutrition?
Dr. Greger: Yes, I have learned it's always best to seek out the primary sources to review them rather than rely on expert opinion. Too often we hear outdated information that is ego-based and supporting old theories that have been proposed. These include extremely low fat vegan diets, without nuts and seeds, or centering one's diet around white potatoes or white rice. This is just not the best science-based advice.
vgpedlr wrote:How many "vowel movements" a day for optimal health?
As a senior medical student in the autumn of 1971, I sat in on a usual noontime hospital conference that would turn out to be a life-changing experience for me. I remember only one slide shown by visiting lecturer Dr. Denis Burkitt, the physician who discovered the immune system cancer named after him-Burkitt's Lymphoma. On one side of the slide was pictured a large hospital building with a small bowel movement next to it. In the adjacent frame was a small hospital beside a large bowel movement. He said, "America is a constipated nation ... If you pass small stools, you have to have large hospitals." And according to Dr. Burkitt, the key to big bowel movements is a diet high in fiber. This was the first doctor who ever told me that diet and health were directly related-that the foods we consume can and do cause the majority of our most common chronic diseases.
patty wrote:vgpedlr wrote:How many "vowel movements" a day for optimal health?
Too Funny!!! I always forget the important component of the fractal feedback loop is transcending the matching junk in communication is the transformation of allurement of our matching communion of our whole nature. No one loves the smell of s--- and it is a good thing because we would have it everywhere, on the table, in our hair but because no one loves the smell it, it is put in a very special place where we don't dig it up. That is till something or someone else does then we remember we are never upset for the reason we think we are.
I love in "Digestion Tune-Up" Dr. McDougall shares this story:These virtual reality communities I find are very healing as we are never upset for the reason we think we are. And for myself it is always a authority issue and I am so grateful Dr. McDougall has identified the biological metabolic dollar fat and oil. I am powerless over communication and the payoff is the smaller hospital:)As a senior medical student in the autumn of 1971, I sat in on a usual noontime hospital conference that would turn out to be a life-changing experience for me. I remember only one slide shown by visiting lecturer Dr. Denis Burkitt, the physician who discovered the immune system cancer named after him-Burkitt's Lymphoma. On one side of the slide was pictured a large hospital building with a small bowel movement next to it. In the adjacentframe was a small hospital beside a large bowel movement. He said, "America is a constipated nation ... If you pass small stools, you have to have large hospitals." And according to Dr. Burkitt, the key to big bowel movements is a diet high in fiber. This was the first doctor who ever told me that diet and health were directly related-that the foods we consume can and do cause the majority of our most common chronic diseases.
I just like to say Mahalo to everyone who makes up this Dr. McDougall's virtual reality community. We are truly blessed. In AA they say no one every shoots off their foot. When time disappears, the mind does too. Peace!
Aloha, patty
I always forget the important component of the fractal feedback loop is transcending the matching junk in communication is the transformation of allurement of our matching communion of our whole nature.
AlwaysAgnes wrote:I don't know much about fractalizationisificationalism, but "authority issues" is my middle name.
According to my kitchen clock, it was 1:42 for three days. I got tired of being stuck there waiting for time to move, so this morning I gave it a new battery. I guess sometimes ya just gotta take charge. Give charge? Recharge? Something.
Vegan Hunter wrote:I always forget the important component of the fractal feedback loop is transcending the matching junk in communication is the transformation of allurement of our matching communion of our whole nature.
I don't mind admitting you completely lost me here.......
patty wrote:AlwaysAgnes wrote:I don't know much about fractalizationisificationalism, but "authority issues" is my middle name.
According to my kitchen clock, it was 1:42 for three days. I got tired of being stuck there waiting for time to move, so this morning I gave it a new battery. I guess sometimes ya just gotta take charge. Give charge? Recharge? Something.
I think they say we are a universe of charged particles:) Energy never begins or ceases. That is what so great about Jeff Novick's _Calorie Density_ as he spotlights the subconscious... how we eat the same amount of weight of food daily... it just how it is packed in creates the relationship of the of the unconscious and the conscious that comes into sync where the universal kitchen clock resides in the immediacy.
Have a wonderful day (((foreveralwaysAgness)))
Aloha, patty
patty wrote:Vegan Hunter wrote:I always forget the important component of the fractal feedback loop is transcending the matching junk in communication is the transformation of allurement of our matching communion of our whole nature.
I don't mind admitting you completely lost me here.......
I am sure you know of the story of the ten blind men and the elephant. The component of the feedback loop each of the ten blind men, makes up the whole, where the elephant can see himself/herself. Today they believe we live in a fractal universe. Hope that helps.
Aloha, patty
patty wrote:I love this story from Deena Metzger, about the coming together with the Council of Elephants. Hope you enjoy:)
http://www.deenametzger.com/
I am off to work, oops I mean play! Aloha patty
We all know that cacao powder has no fat (okay, maybe in irrelevant amount), and so it should be intuitive and obvious that eating a no-fat plant food is just fine -- and it "could" have some positive benefits synergistically along with all the other plants we eat. But why was the question dismissed with an obviously wrong answer?
GeoffreyLevens wrote:We all know that cacao powder has no fat (okay, maybe in irrelevant amount), and so it should be intuitive and obvious that eating a no-fat plant food is just fine -- and it "could" have some positive benefits synergistically along with all the other plants we eat. But why was the question dismissed with an obviously wrong answer?
Cacao nibs or powder (ground nibs) have 2.5 grams fat/ounce, of which 1.5 grams is saturated. From label
http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-navitas-naturals-organic-raw-cacao-i132165
Unsweetened cocoa powder (from CRONoMeter) contains 3.9 grams fat of which 2.3 are saturated. The Wonderslim cocoa that Mary McD (and others) uses contains zero fat of any kind.
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